This story originally published online at N.C. Policy Watch.

As theย deadline approaches for UNC-Chapel Hill to avoid a federal discrimination lawsuitย over its handling of acclaimed journalist Nikole Hannah-Jonesโ€™s tenure application, new details continue to emerge about the behind-the-scenes lobbying that led the university to a crisis point.

In a Wednesday interview with Policy Watch, UNC-Chapel Hill mega-donor Walter Hussman, Jr. detailed his opposition to the hiring of Hannah-Jones, first reported by digital magazineย The Assemblyย on Sunday.

In 2019, Hussmanโ€™sย $25 million pledge to the universityโ€™s journalism school led to it being renamed the UNC Hussman School of Journalism and Media. Most of that money hasnโ€™t yet been delivered, leading some to speculate Hussman felt he had leverage with which to pressure the school to abandon its plan to hire Hannah-Jones.

โ€œHereโ€™s actually the true facts of it,โ€ Hussman told Policy Watch. โ€œI never pressured anybody. I didnโ€™t pressure [UNC Hussman School of Journalism and Media Dean] Susan King. I didnโ€™t pressure the chancellor. I didnโ€™t pressure [Vice Chancellor for University Development] David Routh or anybody on the board.โ€

Hussman, however, acknowledged sending as many as five emails expressing his concerns about the hire to King, Chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz and Routh, who is also chief executive of the UNC-Chapel Hill Foundation, the nonprofit that receives gifts on behalf of the school. Hussman also said he sent the emails to at least one member of the UNC-Chapel Hill Board of Trustees, who he did not name.

Policy Watch has requested the emails from the university but has not yet received them. Hussman described their contents to Policy Watch, but did not provide them. He said he assumes they will become public at some point.

Hussman said he considered sending the emails to all members of the schoolโ€™s board of trustees, but ultimately decided against it. โ€œI donโ€™t think thatโ€™s my role, that thatโ€™s really proper for me,โ€ Hussman said. โ€œIf I did that it looks like Iโ€™m lobbying the board of trustees. And thatโ€™s not what I should be doing. I felt like Iโ€™ve expressed my concerns and the university can accept or reject or whatever they want to do with those concerns. But once Iโ€™ve expressed my concerns I feel like this is really my whole role in this.โ€

In the emails, Hussman expressed concern over the accuracy of Hannah-Jonesโ€™s work for theย New York Timesย as part ofย โ€œThe 1619 Project.โ€ย ย Hussman said he was also concerned about criticism of her work by some prominent historians, as well as her writing on the issue of reparations to Black Americans for slavery. He said he was concerned about how Hannah-Jonesโ€™s work could clash with his vision for the school and what it teaches. Hussman said he was also concerned the controversy over her work might overshadow the school.

There was no ultimatum or suggestion that his $25 million pledge to the school would be in danger if Hannah-Jones was hired, Hussman said.

โ€œI havenโ€™t said to Susan King, โ€˜Do not hire Nikole Hannah-Jones,โ€™โ€ Hussman said. โ€œI never said that. I never said, โ€˜If you hire Nikole Hannah-Jones it could affect our commitment to the university or our donation.โ€™ I never said that. I basically said, โ€˜Look, here are my concerns. Once I express them, theyโ€™re totally up to you.โ€™โ€

But Hussmanโ€™s rationalizations of his behavior raise more questions than they answer, said a member of the schoolโ€™s board of trustees this week.

โ€œThe first thing you have to ask yourself is, โ€˜why is Walter Hussman so informed about the hiring decisions at this school?โ€™โ€ said the board member, who asked not to be identified so that they could discuss a confidential personnel matter.

โ€œHeโ€™s not a member of the board of trustees,โ€ the board member said. โ€œHe doesnโ€™t sit on the UNC Board of Governors. Heโ€™s not a member of the faculty or the tenure committee. Heโ€™s a wealthy alum and big-dollar donor. But as early as last summer, in September before this even comes to the board, heโ€™s emailing the top administrators at the school and heโ€™s contacting former and current board members about things so confidential weโ€™re told we canโ€™t discuss them publicly.โ€

โ€œInferred but not impliedโ€

Hussman told Policy Watch he was aware Hannah-Jones would be hired to hold the schoolโ€™sย Knight Chair in Race and Investigative Journalismย only because King called him โ€œas a courtesyโ€ to let him know.

Hussman said he believes King might have made that call because heโ€™s from Arkansas; U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, hasย publicly denounced โ€œThe 1619 Project”ย and sponsored a bill to prevent it from being taught in classrooms.

โ€œMaybe if I hadnโ€™t been from Arkansas she wouldnโ€™t have called me,โ€ Hussman said.

That led to him to doing more research on Hannah-Jones and her work, he said, and ultimately an agreement to โ€œagree to disagreeโ€ on the hire with King, who, he said, felt it was still the right decision.

King declined to comment to Policy Watch this week.

Hussman wasnโ€™t content to stop there. He decided to detail his various problems with Hannah-Jonesโ€™s work in a series of emails that went beyond King.

The people Hussman contacted are important, the UNC trustee said.

โ€œIf heโ€™s privy to who is getting hired and who isnโ€™t and he feels like he has to reach out and weigh in and make himself part of that process, and he wants to reach out to Dean King, thatโ€™s strange enough by itself,โ€ the board member said. โ€œBut he contacted the chancellor. He contacted David Routh, whose job is to deal with financial gifts to the university. For him to now say that the money he pledged to the school isnโ€™t in any danger over this is a little disingenuous, I think.โ€

โ€œHeโ€™s completely outside this process and heโ€™s contacting the people who are involved with financial giving over his concerns about university hires,โ€ the board member said. โ€œThatโ€™s throwing your weight around because you know you can exercise your influence, based on your gifts to the school. It is a threat. I donโ€™t see how you can see that any other way.โ€

Hussman denies that.ย โ€œThat could have been inferred, but it was never implied,โ€ he said.

Hussman said that someone at UNC asked him directly if the hiring of Hannah-Jones would affect his donation.

โ€œAnd I said the answer to that is โ€˜no,โ€™โ€ Hussman said. โ€œOne word: N-O. No. I couldnโ€™t have been more clear about that.โ€

Private conversations?

Hussman wouldnโ€™t discuss whether the school should have hired Hannah-Jones or whether the trustees should now approve her for tenure, as it has for every comparable Knight Chair professor upon their hire since 1980.

Hussman said the code of ethics for his company (WEHCO, Media, Inc.) prohibits working journalists from publicly taking sides on contentious issues, and he interprets that as applying to the publisher as well.

โ€œThat is a really interesting way to put that,โ€ said a different member of the board of trustees, who also asked not to be identified in order to discuss personnel matters. โ€œHe believes his journalistic ethics should mean he doesnโ€™t talk about this issue publicly. But his ethics arenโ€™t in danger if he reaches out behind the scenes and tries to exert influence, as long as the public doesnโ€™t see any of this and he believes heโ€™s having private conversations. That is a really interesting set of ethics is all Iโ€™ll say.โ€

Hussman said he doesnโ€™t see the two positions as contradictory.

Journalists who work for him arenโ€™t allowed to make political contributions, Hussman said. They arenโ€™t allowed to put bumper stickers on their cars or signs in their yards that would put them on one side of any political or public controversy. He avoids those things himself. But that doesnโ€™t extend to private conversations, he said.

โ€œWe tell our reporters you cannot do those things publicly,โ€ Hussman said. โ€œWe donโ€™t tell them you canโ€™t tell your husband or your wife, your best friend or a close confidant, โ€˜I voted for Bidenโ€™ or โ€˜Iโ€™m against this sales taxโ€™ or โ€˜Iโ€™m for the for legalizing marijuana.โ€™ I think thatโ€™s beyond the pale to say you canโ€™t have those conversations in confidence. And thatโ€™s what I was doing.โ€

But trustees critical of Hussmanโ€™s role said that doesnโ€™t make sense.

โ€œIf you think you can say whatever you want to whoever you want as long as people donโ€™t find out about it, you shouldnโ€™t be lecturing people about ethics and integrity,โ€ one trustee told Policy Watch. โ€œI canโ€™t say the things Iโ€™d like to publicly about this, because Iโ€™m told it would jeopardize a personnel process, maybe even lead to a lawsuit. But a rich donor can find out this information, make arguments to people at the highest level about the fitness of people we employ, call other donors and talk about itโ€ฆand as long as he doesnโ€™t do it publicly, he thinks thatโ€™s okay.โ€

Deb Aikat, a journalism professor at UNC-Chapel Hill, said a donor and prominent alum like Hussman must realize that his opinions carry enormous weight. Therefore, wading into hiring decisions before they even reach the board of trustees is fraught.

โ€œWe strongly believe that UNCโ€™s benefactors should not influence hiring faculty,โ€ Aikat said. โ€œSuch influence, implicit or otherwise, would imperil faculty governance and is a clear threat to academic freedom.โ€

โ€œWe are deeply disturbed over interventions, political or otherwise, to our work,โ€ Aikat said. โ€œDonors and trustees should respect academic freedom. Their overreach reflects a pernicious portent. Let us respect UNC-Chapel Hillโ€™s academic autonomy as a leading global public university.โ€

Ethics or ideology?

Hussman has characterized his opposition to the universityโ€™s hiring of Hannah-Jones as a matter of journalistic values and ethics.

But in a September email to Routh that was copied to King and Guskiewicz, Hussman wrote politically and racially tinged criticisms of Hannah-Jonesโ€™s essay on the post-World War II fight for civil rights as part ofย โ€œThe 1619 Project.โ€

โ€œFor the most part, black Americans fought back alone,โ€ Hannah-Jones wrote in the passage singled out by Hussman.

โ€œI think this claim denigrates the courageous efforts of many white Americans to address the sin of slavery and the racial injustices that resulted after the Civil War,โ€ Hussman wrote in an email to King and Guskiewicz. โ€œLong before Nikole Hannah-Jones won her Pulitzer Prize, courageous white southerners risking their lives standing up for the rights of blacks were winning Pulitzer prizes, too,โ€ he wrote.

That criticism, as reported byย The Assembly, led Hannah-Jones to make a rare public comment in the middle of the tenure controversy.

โ€œ[C]ompletely irrelevant to my credentials as a journalist, for the record, Iโ€™ve long credited Black and white race beat reporters with inspiring my own journalism,โ€ Hannah-Jonesย wrote in a Twitter postย on Sunday. โ€œThis has been on the bio page of my web site for years.โ€

โ€œHer heroes are the race beat reporters, such as Ida B. Wells, Ethel Payne, Simeon Booker and Claude Sitton,โ€ that portion of Hannah-Jonesโ€™s bio reads. โ€œWhose fearless coverage helped move this nation closer to its promise.โ€

A number of prominent journalism figures also found that particular criticism ironic coming from Hussman, who they characterized as a conservative force in the news business and whose history in journalism is deeply ideological.

Hussman is the millionaire publisher of theย Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. His familyโ€™s company bought theย Arkansas Democratย in the 1970s, installing him as publisher at age 27.

Hussman instigated and ultimately won a newspaper war with theย Arkansas Gazette, a crusading progressive newspaper that was a rare anti-segregation voice among mainstream Southern newspapers in the American South during the Civil Rights Era. Hussmanย positioned his paper as a conservative alternative to theย Gazette.

โ€œYeah, theย Democratย became a more conservative paper under our ownership,โ€ Hussman told Policy Watch. But the paper ran both liberal and conservative columnists, Hussman said, and still writes its own editorials seven days a week.

โ€œOur editorial process is more free market, free trade, limited government,โ€ Hussman said. โ€œThat may not have been considered conservative at one time, but today it is.โ€

Hussmanโ€™s family business lost money in the newspaper war withย The Arkansas Gazetteย for years, but it could afford it. Theย Gazette,ย diminished over the course of a long and bruising competition, was eventually bought by the Gannett newspaper chain, which badly mismanaged it. Ultimately Hussmanโ€™s company bought theย Gazetteย and merged it with his own paper to create theย Democrat-Gazetteย in 1991.

Douglas A. Blackmon, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who once worked for Hussman at theย Democrat-Gazette,ย took to Twitter over the weekendย to call characterizing Hussman as an advocate for balanced or non-political news โ€œpreposterous.โ€

โ€œHeโ€™s been a mini-Rupert Murdoch for 40 yrs,โ€ Blackmon wrote.

โ€œI didnโ€™t know him personally, but I worked for Hussman almost 35 years ago at theย Arkansas Democrat,โ€ Blackmon wrote. โ€œHe was burning millions from his familyโ€™s cable-company fortune to destroy theย Arkansas Gazetteย โ€” one of the greatest southern newspapers & the few that supported Civil Rights.โ€

โ€œHussmanโ€™s family bought the dyingย Arkansas Democratย in the โ€™70s & installed him as boy-publisher, still in his 20s,โ€ Blackmon wrote. โ€œHe hired extremist conservative editors who made war on the truth, and in the 80s begin spinning bogus โ€˜Whitewaterโ€™ conspiracy tales about Bill & Hillary Clinton.โ€

โ€œHussman dressed up his attack onย @nhannahjonesย with talk about accuracy and fairness,โ€ Blackmon wrote. โ€œBut he leaves out his newspaperโ€™s early support forย #Trump, and a four-decade track record of financing ultra partisanship in journalism.โ€

In 2016 theย Democrat-Gazetteย did not make an official endorsement for president. In 2020, the paper wrote a glowing assessment of then-President Donald Trumpโ€™s job performance. That same article included harsh criticisms of then-Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. Controversially, the paper insisted this wasnโ€™t an official endorsement of Trump for president.

โ€œIโ€™m sure it was nice forย @UNCHussmanย journalism school to get $25m from him,โ€ Blackmon wrote. โ€œBut Walter Hussman is a founding father of the fake news/Trump-lies era. Hardly anyone could have less credibility to attack Nicole Hannah Jones. Shame on theย @UNCย board for bowing to his will.โ€

Hussman said he doesnโ€™t remember Blackmon and expressed surprise heโ€™d won a Pulitzer.

โ€œIn life you get a lot of critics and a lot of the criticism isnโ€™t valid,โ€ Hussman said. โ€œBut heโ€™s entitled to his opinion.โ€

A member of the board of trustees said the groupโ€™s more conservative members are happy to have Hussmanโ€™s emails as part of the public discussion.

โ€œThey think it gives them political cover,โ€ the trustee said. โ€œThey think that Hussmanโ€™s name being attached to this criticism makes it less political. Itโ€™s not just conservative activists criticizing it. Here is this big name in journalism. But itโ€™s a big conservative name in journalism. Itโ€™s coming from the same place.โ€

People may paint him as ideological, Hussman said, but he claimed his reaching out to UNC leaders over Hannah-Jones isnโ€™t about issues like reparations for slavery or controversies over how American history should be taught. He takes no public position on those issues himself, he told Policy Watch. But the fact that Hannah-Jones has so clearly and publicly staked herself on them and a host of other contentious social issues is precisely what leads to questions about her objectivity as a journalist, he said.

Adherence to objectivity is a core value in journalism, Hussman said, as laid out in a statement of values he runs every day in his newspapers and which now hangs in the journalism school, which has pledged to carve them in granite.

โ€œIโ€™m anxious to find out what Nikole Hannah- Jones thinks about it and if sheโ€™s opposed to the core values,โ€ Hussman said. โ€œShe may not be, you know. If sheโ€™s in favor of them, maybe we could work together. But if sheโ€™s opposed to them, Iโ€™m going to wonder why did she want to go to work at a journalism school where sheโ€™s opposed to the core values of the school.โ€

Hannah-Jones declined to comment for this story. She has made few public statements throughout the current controversy. But she has, throughout her career, emphasized the importance of the pursuit of truth in journalism and the danger of a โ€œstrictly objective, present both sidesโ€ approach which she said tends to favor existing power structures at the expense of marginalized people.

A healthy tension?

Ryan Thornburg, a journalism professor at UNC-Chapel Hill, said the tension between Hussmanโ€™s professed principles and Hannah-Jonesโ€™s views on journalism is a healthy one โ€” and a teachable conflict in a journalism school.

Walter Hussman and Nikole Hannah-Jones are both products of UNC-Chapel Hillโ€™s journalism school, Thornburg said. Theyโ€™re both in journalism. But their paths and life experiences are very different.

Hussman is a 74-year-old white man whose family has for generations owned and operated newspapers, magazines and television stations in the South. Hannah-Jones is a 45-year old Black woman who worked her way from smaller daily newspapers to theย New York Times, winning every major award in journalism across a two-decade writing career in which her work has examined the fraught issue of race in America.

It would be surprising if they agreed on everything, Thornburg said.

โ€œI think this is a good opportunity for students to see that things arenโ€™t always the way they appear to be at first blush,โ€ Thornburg told Policy Watch this week. โ€œThatโ€™s why itโ€™s really important to question things and think critically and not just take as gospel truth words put up written in stone somewhere.โ€

โ€œThey can be valuable as guiding points,โ€ Thornburg said. โ€œBut when ideals meet the real world, the way the real world works, thatโ€™s when you really learn a lot of this stuff is not abstract. It is real and it has real impact on peoplesโ€™ lives and what they know about the world.โ€

Conversations about journalistic principles are always ongoing, Thornburg said. But there isnโ€™t โ€” and shouldnโ€™t be โ€” a litmus test for professors.

โ€œI think that weโ€™re going to teach what weโ€™re going to teach,โ€ Thornburg said. โ€œYou can put what you want up on the wall and itโ€™s food for thought. But theyโ€™re Walter Hussmanโ€™s principles. Theyโ€™re not the University of North Carolinaโ€™s principles.โ€

โ€œI think this is a big enough place for all of this to exist,โ€ Thornburg said. โ€œThatโ€™s what helps our students learn, that they run into a lot of different faculty who feel like theyโ€™ve got the freedom, thankfully, to teach things the way that they want. I think that any of us bristle at the idea that โ€˜Youโ€™ve got to teach it the Nikole Hannah-Jones way or โ€˜Youโ€™ve got to teach it the Walter Hussman way.โ€™โ€

This week, as the board of trustees faces the possibility of a lawsuit over its inaction on Hannah-Jonesโ€™s tenure, Thornburg said itโ€™s time to consider her on her merits.

โ€œMy hope for the board of trustees is what itโ€™s always been, that theyโ€™ll give Nikole Hannah-Jones the courtesy of voting on her tenure,โ€ Thornburg said. โ€œI personally believe that by any objective measure sheโ€™s well-qualified. Once the board of trustees members look at her qualifications seriously and give her the courtesy and respect she deserves by giving her a vote, theyโ€™ll come to the same conclusion.โ€


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