Traditional music runs in the blood of Vivian Leva and Riley Calcagno. Both were raised by parents immersed in old-time and bluegrass. Both mastered multiple acoustic instruments as children and started performing in their teens. Both spent summers riding the fiddlersโ convention and competition circuit.
But a funny thing happens with aging. Depending on nature and nurture, some folksโ blood runs thicker, thinner; colder, hotter. As we age, desires change, ambitions alter, and value systems shift.
Of course, โgrowing olderโ is all relative for Leva and Calcagno, both just 25 years old. Yet hard-earned wisdom abounds on their new album, Imaginary People, out September 15 on Free Dirt Records. It marks their first release under the Viv & Riley moniker, their first collaboration with producer Alex Bingham, and their first time intentionally breaking free from acoustic roots.
To start, the duo wrote songs on an electric guitar and drum setโno big deal for most, but borderline sacrilegious for those who came up in reverential old-time scenes.
โIt sounds trivial,โ Calcagno tells the INDY over lunch at Gojo by Goorsha in Durham. โBut using an electric guitar and drum set really changed the possibilities and spurred a more adventurous spirit going into our recording session with Al.โ
Thatโs immediately evident on album opener and lead single โKygers Hill,โ Levaโs wistful rumination about returning to her old Virginia home. Yes, it references long rides through the Blue Ridge Mountains, but it does so atop a warbly, vibrato-drenched guitar lick from Calcagno. โI wrote that song melodically and lyrically in its entirety,โ she says, looking at her partner. โBut you really shaped itโthe guitar riff you came up with is so integral.โ
That โyouโ is key to understanding the intense bond that Leva and Calcagno share. The two have been nearly inseparable since meeting as high school graduates in 2016 at the Festival of American Fiddle Tunes in Port Townsend, Washington. Throughout the INDYโs 90-minute conversation with them, they communicated as much with each other as with their interviewer, sharing sly smiles and concentrated eye contact as they completed each otherโs sentences.
That intimacy stands out on โSauvie Islandโ and โHow to Lose,โ which start with solo verses before reverting to trademark interlocked harmonies on the choruses.
When they started recording with Bingham at his lakefront Bedtown Studios in Virginia, he teased them for cramming themselves into the tiniest spot available.
โIt was hilarious,โ Bingham remembers, clarifying that his studio is not big โby any means.โ But, he says, the pair made their way to โthe farthest back corner. It cracked me up.โ
Calcagno concurs: โAl thought we were freaks.โ
Belying that intense intimacy, Imaginary People also rises above what Calcagno calls the โinterpersonal dramaโ that dominated the duoโs earlier work. โSauvie Islandโ hearkens back melancholically to Portland, Oregon, where Calcagno moved after graduating from Oberlin College in Ohio as Leva finished her education at Lewis & Clark College. She graduated in December 2020 at the height of the pandemic.

โIt was also the year that the wildfires were really awful,โ Leva says. โThings felt truly apocalyptic. But we were making meals and mulled wine together, going down to this beach on the Columbia River, and trying to find beauty amidst the hardness of it all.โ
Meanwhile, โIs It All Overโ is a sardonic study in paradoxes. The song combines gentle, blissed-out instrumentation and MPC loops with lyrics that drag billionaires wanting to blast off into space while the planet burns.
โItโs this idea of pushing the capitalist game as far as it can go,โ Calcagno says. โThe UN puts out this really dark climate report about environmental degradation, but weโre still open for business.โ
Then thereโs โThe General,โ a freewheeling rock โnโ roll song built around Levaโs sharp couplets (โWhyโd you even have to come downstairs? / The way you look at me makes me scaredโ). โAfter I wrote that, I remember us saying, โDang, weโre going to need to start a new rock band so we can perform this song!โโ Calcagno laughs. โIt just felt like a totally different version of us.โ
The albumโs title track, on the other hand, is an instant Americana earwormโeasy to envision on the radio or soundtracking a film, with Levaโs intoxicating vocals recalling heroes like Iris DeMent or Joni Mitchell. Written by Leva, โImaginary Peopleโ is about realizing โyou canโt count on someone else for your own happiness,โ she says. โItโs up to you to know yourself and come to terms with the fact that youโre in a moment of growth or change.โ
โFlashing Lights,โ meanwhile, relates a joyful moment from late 2021 when Viv & Riley traveled to Nashville to play Americana Fest and spent a blissful night dancing with friends.
โItโs up to you to know yourself and come to terms with the fact that youโre in a moment of growth or change.โ
โIt was a beautiful experience to feel youthful again,โ Leva says. Calcagno references his earlier comment: โWe used to write songs to each other that were complicated and fraught,โ he says. โBut โFlashing Lightsโ is about one of those collective experiences we processed together, which is a much healthier and sweeter process.โ
Still, their early days as a duo are baked into their beings. For their first tour together, in 2018, they dropped out of college to play a month of house shows in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Albertaโin March.
โIt launched us into taking things seriously,โ Leva says. โThat was very important for the start of our duo.โ
Levaโs first solo album came out while they were in Olds, a Grasslands town of 9,000 in Alberta. โWe both were so proud of it,โ Calcagno says, โbut we were playing a house concert to five people during a blizzard that all the Canadians said we would die in if we tried to drive the next day.โ
Imaginary People ends on โThe Blackest Crow,โ a Civil Warโera Appalachian ballad thatโs been a staple of live sets for both Viv & Riley and their traditional string band, The Onlies. With Binghamโs guidance, though, they approached this version differently.
โAl took it to a new place,โ Leva says. โThat was our challenge: How do we reimagine these songs so that theyโre unlike anything weโve ever done before? There are background loops of Sam [Fribush] and I clinking ice and water glasses, along with guitar sounds and organelle from Andy Stack. When we play it live, weโll still do it with just banjo and our two voices. But itโs really nice to have this recorded version thatโs so different.โ
That ethos perfectly encapsulates Viv & Rileyโs here and now: mindful of their past while looking eagerly into their future.
โMore than ever, weโre operating as a unitโa single entityโwhich is exciting,โ Calcagno says. โWe have confidence in ourselves as collaborators and faith in our partnership.โ
Of course, anyone whoโs pursued a professional path with their romantic partner knows how fraught that journey can be, so the pair continue to cultivate their bond as a couple. At home, they play the board game Wingspan and love to cook together.
โWe have not always been able to cook together,โ Leva deadpans. Calcagno goes further: โThatโs been a huge area of growth for us. I used to really annoy Viv when we were cooking, and now sheโs learned to tolerate me.โ
Bingham marvels at Viv & Rileyโs maturity. โThey were only 24 years old when we recorded Imaginary People together, which was shocking to me,โ he says. โTheyโre very close friends, they anticipate each otherโs needs and have a really beautiful balance as a couple and as a duo.โ
Bingham also emphasizes the fact that Viv & Riley purposely pushed their music in new directionsโall without pushing their old audience away.
โThis record feels like a very natural transition for us,โ Leva says. โWeโre building a new identity. Weโre creating new things that can still be a part of that Americana tradition. Itโs been so inspiring to see these new themes emerge in our work and make connections with people like Alex who are helping us tell our story in a new way.โ
Leva and Calcagno lock eyes again, sharing another long look.
โGetting older is not a linear thing,โ she says. โWe were teenagers when we met, and now weโre adults, but growing up is a messy path. You have to give yourself the flexibility to ebb and flow. Weโre changing. And weโre excited to share that with the world.โ
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